MM from Planetary Pinball

[mwong168]

It's likely that they'll have MMR's just sitting there eventually.

Just like TFLE, XMLE, or HulkLE unless Brock sells these for them :lol:

MM is the one game that I always wanted and kicking myself for not buying one 3 years ago for a pretty nice $6k MM and all my friends nearly jumped down my throat saying that is crazy money for a MM. I'm not really upset about the missed "return on investment" aspect since I don't collect speculating that but because I hesitated and the price got out of my reach and comfort level. The only thing about MMR that would worry me a little bit is the redesign and relocation of the electronics. Will Rottendog be making replacement boards or will they be surface mount components or through hole ones. There is already a lot of stuff packed under a playfield so now with the extra boards it looks like doing simple things like changing a bulb or switch will be harder too.

Anyways, congrats to anyone who has been wanting a MM (me included) and is onboard for a MMR (me excluded).

 

[movingpictures]

MM is a fun game, but not $9500 worth of fun for me.

Stern just lost a huge chunk of current and future LE / Premium sales.
If PPS can deliver MM in a timely fashion AND pump out AFM, MB, and CCC ... oh man.

Things are about to get even more interesting around here.

 

[nics135]

If I had a nice MB or AFM I would start to think about unloading it before the remake gets announced and the value drops.

 

[cdnpinballer]

Rick from PPS basically came out and said AFM was next in line after MM on Pinside.

 

[stiffler4444]

Yup. Fire sale. Lol


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[mwong168]

Some better pics of MMR posted on pinside

 

[REVOLUTION]

What don't they "get"?

 

[Golden Graham]

Brock.
Are you selling the MMR? Sorry for the question - I'm a little slow!
I have a MMR LE confirmed on order from JJP but never even considered the shipping cost. I contacted SB and they were out....but have the standard available. JJP wants 8k US...SB wanted 8k (is that Canadian)? I'm wondering if I will inevitably save more money buying this side of the border? I guess it depends what I claim it as?
Thanks
Kyle

 

[Chris Bardon]

OK, so it looks to be surface mount LEDs on that PCB, and presumably all the drive transistors mounted to the bottom on those smaller boards. I still think that having those out in the open is just asking for trouble, since it's way more likely that something could break loose and short one of those out. Looking at the way WOZ is put together makes a lot of sense-you're still getting stuff out of the head (so less wire), but you're also able to isolate and protect the electronics from the moving parts. That being said, if this has a couple smaller driver boards instead of one large one, it could be cheaper to replace just one of them if something does break?

 

[Menace]

It definitely appears the coil and lamp drives are smaller modular PCB's from these pics. (I count 3) I agree having all of the electronics under the PF is a risk, but where it looks like these are mounted component side down, protecting the backside of these PCB's would be simple with plastic (or even simple thick card stock) shields. They definitely saved a bit of wire and labor by doing this, but holy what a rats nest having it all under the pf eh?

Either way, it's interesting for sure.

D

 

[Chris Bardon]

Yeah, looking at that again, I'm thinking of what would happen if you needed to get the castle out. Lots more wire in the way on the new model.

At this point, why not just make the entire bottom of the PF one big ass PCB (or a series of smaller ones), and use traces on there instead of any of the external wires? Can you not run things like coil voltage through a board trace? Might be more to manufacture, but way cheaper to assemble then (and fewer busted wires to service).

 

[mwong168]

At this point, why not just make the entire bottom of the PF one big ass PCB (or a series of smaller ones), and use traces on there instead of any of the external wires? Can you not run things like coil voltage through a board trace? Might be more to manufacture, but way cheaper to assemble then (and fewer busted wires to service).

I've never had to replace any busted wires on my games but connectors seem to be the main failure point in the wiring harnesses. I'm looking forward to see how these MMR will hold up in the "real world". Also surprised they didn't just find a spot to mount that small board in the head under the playfield. They could have followed Stern's business model to a "T" :lol:

MMR Standard Edition (no head)
MMR LE (with head but it's empty inside)

 

[Menace]

Yeah, looking at that again, I'm thinking of what would happen if you needed to get the castle out. Lots more wire in the way on the new model.

At this point, why not just make the entire bottom of the PF one big ass PCB (or a series of smaller ones), and use traces on there instead of any of the external wires? Can you not run things like coil voltage through a board trace? Might be more to manufacture, but way cheaper to assemble then (and fewer busted wires to service).

There is no way you could mount the coils directly to a PCB, the vibration generated by the plunger slamming into the coil stops would fracture the solder joints in no time. As for coil voltage through the PCB, this is already being done on your driver boards.

D

 

[Luckydogg420]

This just looks to add a whole new level of insanity when diagnosing problems.

So I guess the original schematics won't work for the new game. Lol

 

[Menace]

This just looks to add a whole new level of insanity when diagnosing problems.

Yes and no... Most of everything you'll need to test will be under the PF, so no going back and forth between the PF and the head. Also means less wire to trace if there is a break.

So I guess the original schematics won't work for the new game. Lol

Correct. It would have to be a completely new set of schematics. (especially where they have switched to using all LED's)

D