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Zidware upcoming Sh*t Storm

Chris Bardon

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That's really too bad for anyone that had money in this. I doubt there's going to be a way to recover anything, but who knows. I wonder if any of those design ideas are ever going to make it to a production game? The screen placement isn't a bad idea-it works well in CV, and it worked in p2k, but stern and JJP seem to have their systems sorted out.
 

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Ben Heck interview from Southern Fried Gaming Expo 2015, fast forward to 36:15 to hear him talk about JPOP.

 

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Those of you who are members of the WOZ Google group may have read this already, but for those of you who aren't or haven't, here are Jersey Jack's (sobering) thoughts on the subject:


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JPOP Thoughts

19 Jun

Jersey Jack

My personal opinions:

This is the JJP Forum but there is obvious spillover as it's all Pinball.

JJP was able to start because you, the loyal customer base of PBSC believed first in me and then in the Team and in what we were doing. You bought into a dream, an idea, a hope and ultimately a game(s).

The Pre-Pay crowd-funded model seemed good. Get money, build games. We all know that road was and is littered with land mines and huge chasms. Not everyone can navigate them and yes the Journey is The Reward and all that.
We have learned a lot and we have much to still learn. This is a marathon and not a sprint and it's not for everyone, obviously.

About six weeks ago at his invitation I visited JPOP at his studio. I don't know John. I've never said more than a few words at shows where I saw him. I like the games he has designed and like everything in this industry, it has many stories and many twists and turns.

When I was there I was impressed at what I saw. Though I felt a bit blinded by what appeared to be a "game" Magic Girl was to me, a "Box of Lights" and I mean that in a very respectful way. I myself had paraded a box of lights around in June of 2012 at E3 and NW Pinball but that was a different kinder and gentler time when hope sprung eternal.

Still John had MG in some place where it could be a game if the right amount of time, expertise, money and magic was applied, this could be a good game perhaps. But it was not ready to be played, shot on or shown as a near finished product.

My friend Bill called me to discuss his best efforts to revive or to save this dream that John had. Bill is a wonderfully hopeful guy that had every good intention. In the process he subjected himself to public ridicule, humiliation, scrutiny and all at the cost of over $100,000 to his wallet. His associate was likewise skewered in public by the angry mob and even the few hopeful, hapless know it all armchair experts that do nothing and have never done anything worthwhile.

It made for great drama and great reading on the forum. After all bad news sells newspapers and good news, well.... zzzzzzz. So, Bill went on his Mission which became Mission Impossible. Nobody can step into this fray or in front of a moving train and survive.

I read most of the posts and I spent some hours talking with John. Is he a genius or a moron? Is he a diabolical thief or a bad businessman? Did he intend to defraud or was it a bad plan of events? He knows and he must look himself in the mirror. I believe he is a good designer and a bad businessman. I do not believe his intent was ever anything other than to deliver the best most innovative game he could design. The guy redesigned leg bolts! I mean who makes PC boards Purple? Waste of money or Passion??

He got way ahead of himself. I asked him - John - If you had a house with ten rooms and enough paint to finish one room, why would you try and paint all ten rooms? He did Magic Girl, Zombie, Kiss, Alice...what else.....years of passion, blood, sweat and tears of his life to do this. Pinball is (or was) John's life. He did it for you, those who believed in him. He did not intend this to happen, it happened because of poor planning, because of negative posts cutting off and panicking his buyers. Because he was too secretive and not communicating in a broad sense....who knows - all of this is my guess...I don't have the facts of the financial or anything else. It's just what it appears to me personally and not commentary on behalf of JJP.

John is a mere Mortal like all of us. He is flesh and blood and has feelings. He has a wife and kids and they have feelings too. Those who "invested" in him - well - you got what you paid for. You got to be on the roller coaster ride of ups and downs. You got to be an insider and an outsider. You had the money to burn for a big toy that nobody needs and that money got burned alright. It was used to fund a startup, most all of which fail in the first formative years as perhaps John's may have.

You already have received your pound of flesh and if you truly cared about Pinball all of you would have rallied as a group to help the poor guy figure out what he has and what could be saved if it was possible. Instead, the lynch mob storms the castle with pitchforks and torches. Hang the guy, so what satisfaction is that. He did his best and maybe his best was not good enough but it was his best. Done.

Next, who knows what happens, that's a legal thing. Sue him or not. Forgive and forget or hold a grudge and let it consume you. Live and Let Live.

The guy and his family have suffered enough, really, he has. He is out of Pinball. Aside from his family that was the thing in life he loved most. Bigger things have failed and smarter better funded people have failed. John is not a failure, his company is a failure.

I feel bad for the people who lost money and I feel bad for John and especially feel bad for Pinball in general.
 

spiroagnew

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Thanks for posting Jack's reaction. Had not read that. Interesting that Jack lent his two cents to Bill B. as he tried to move the project forward. "Box of Lights" is a great term, and will be used in my pinball lexicon from here on in.
 

Vengeance

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Crazy, some people's kids I tell you.

I would be absolutely ashamed if I screwed all those people out of all that money, the last thing I would be doing in continuing to rub salt in the wound by continuing to publicly move forward and post updates on a project basically on the backs of other peoples money.
 

scylla

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I can't believe he's still posting AIW updates (I'd stopped checking the site). I just don't get it. Is this blind denial or something else? I have around $2K I know I'm never going to see again. Small potatoes compared to others. But I don't want to be reminded.
 

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Heads up any other people involved cut off date for the group lawsuit is August 1st 2015.
 

spiroagnew

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Wasn't there a guy who came forward as recently as a few months ago that said JPop took his money for AIW early in 2015, around the same time that the first public grumbling from suppliers came to light? Perhaps he HAS TO keep building AIW, as per legal advice, because there was/is still fresh money on the books? Easy to argue that Magic Girl and Zombie Whateverland money is long gone, because there was actual work done and work to show for it. Maybe he needs to spend that AIW money right quick on something to prove that he's broke. Spending money on a project he knows will never see completion is foolhardy and a sign of sheer insanity, but maybe this is just another chess move in his legal strategy going forward.
 

scylla

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You may be right. There are a few people just on pinside who gave him AIW money in 2015 - including those who paid installments #2 and #3 after paying the first last year. I'm sure there are more out there.
 

Vengeance

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It's kinda hard to see things the way JJP sees things about Jpop when he keeps putting out updates. I don't even have any money in the project and seeing this kinda BS urks me.

At least with the Predator project once everything hit the fan the entire project came to a hard stop and Kevin has basically dropped off the face of the pinball community planet.